Clay Parker Jones returns to an all new Real Famous. In his past life, he was Managing Director at Undercurrent, Co-Founder at August, and Executive Director of Organization Design at R/GA. He is now Managing Partner and Chief Strategy Officer for one of Fast Company’s most innovative companies of 2023, Black Glass.

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Real Famous returns with a conversation with Catherine Heath. She recently left her role as the Head of Brand for Instagram. She is now on the board of the innovation consultancy Spikes and the Museum of Modern Art while running her own global consultancy called Once Upon a Time Brands.